Dear Yahoos: Does Qi Lu Have What It Takes To Fix MSN?

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qilu.jpgWe'll just admit it: We know nothing about the man. So, Yahoos, we'd be grateful for your input.

Here's what we do know: Fixing Microsoft's Internet business is going to require one hell of a talent. Not because there aren't worthwhile assets there, and not because Microsoft lacks resources or conviction. Just because Microsoft has had 13 years to get its Internet act together, and it has failed to do it, and we just don't see what is likely to change now. We also know that this is not even remotely about "technology.

Specifically, Dr. Lu is going to have to deal with the following:

  • Mission.  Microsoft has about a dozen different Internet businesses: search, display, ad network, portal, email, online apps, messaging, etc. It needs to have one. This is going to require a major structural re-org--all accomplished without offending the REAL power bases at Microsoft, the Windows and Office guys (see below.)  It's also going to require a brutal evaluation of where Microsoft can compete and where it can't and why.
  • Branding.  "Microsoft's Internet business" just isn't going to cut it. Neither is the grab-bag of brands Microsoft has collected over the years, the existence of each of which appears to be an attempt to come up with something cool without offending one or another of the many other constituencies and brands within the Microsoft empire.  Microsoft's Internet business needs ONE BRAND. Now. 
  • Politics.  At Microsoft, the Internet business will always play third banana to Windows and Office (and Steve Ballmer would be an idiot to run the company any other way). We assume that means that every time Dr. Lu does something that might annoy or threaten the Windows or Office guys, he's going to have to get permission first. That is REALLY annoying.  And it's going to take a special kind of individual who can build a real business out of all these parts without being driven mad in the process.
  • Profits.  After 13 years of online striving, Microsoft's Internet business is still burning billions of dollars a year.  Even clobbered AOL is making money. If Microsoft's Internet business is ever to be a real business, Microsoft has to fix this.  That's going to be no easy task.

So is the good Doctor a Superman? We hope so. If not, he's just going to be the latest in a long line of Microsoft Internet honchos who have moved pieces around the board without ever really accomplishing anything.

Yahoo colleagues, we need to hear from you. Does he have what it takes? Please enlighten us!

See Also: Meet Microsoft's New Digital Head: Qi Lu



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26 Comments

simonbaptist (URL) said:
Sorry, not from YHOO but from MSFT.

As a well respected Engineering outsider, I would suggest that Lu is going to have the respect of the traditional powerbases and his knowledge of high availability/scaling web services will be useful in the Cloud Wars.
manu said:
I used to work for yahoo. This guy works 15 hours (literally speaking).
Panama was in dire straits when this guy was brought in. He was single handedly responsibly for delivering Panama. He is the man!!
manu said:
One more point. This guy rose from an engineering manager to an exec. at yahoo.

One of the few execs at yahoo, who commanded respect from everyone.
yahoo1 said:
I worked under Qi Lu for 5 years. He hates Yang and pushed for a merge with microsoft. Yand disagreed and thats why he quit. What goes around comes around
ex-yahoo said:
I am a former engineering manager for Yahoo who worked on the Panama project both before and during Qi's involvement. He and Brian Acton were definitely key to its eventual success (no amount of success can can offset the drop in search volume though). He was highly respected by the engineering staff as a very approachable, super smart, and hard working leader. It was a huge loss for Yahoo and now a big gain for Microsoft.
GelW said:
This article lost all credibility at the phrase,
"Steve Ballmer would be an idiot". Have you no sense of history ;-)

Microsoft only got where they did because of W H Gates Senior whose prescience was to steal stuff that was (ostensibly) free and sell it for lots of money backed up by his law firm Preston, Gates & Ellis (name now changed to dump baggage). "After 13 years of online striving, Microsoft's Internet business is still burning billions of dollars a year." How can any legitimate company do that, lose so much money - (don't forget the others like Zune, XBox, WebTV.....). Free money isn't available anywhere, you can earn it or steal it.

Microsoft is in a monotonic decline and can't see past the inertia. Their position today represents the events of maybe five years ago, that's really difficult to come to terms with, understand or even visualize. If Microsoft gets a turn around in place tomorrow it won't be clear for half a decade, far past The Street's attention span.

The inevitable collapse of MS was clear eight years ago. There is no turning back now, they have pissed too many people off. The best thing MS could do is close down, give the money back to the shareholders and open source everything.

Seriously. Not that it will happen. It is however the best for customers, developers and mankind in general barring a handful of shareholders and executives. It is clear they won't give up because they are issuing bonds, 20+ billion dollars in the bank is not enough.

Cloud computing: one company is miles ahead but they haven't let on at all yet, just put a few small pieces in to place.

pumper said:
why isn't yhoo filing a lawsuit or something to stop Lu from defecting to their 2nd biggest competitor --- msft?

is Lu can go free, just about anyone in yhoo can. so, this is really bad for yhoo.... not even if they still want to keep some value to sell to msft!
Ben Fremer (URL) said:
On the lawsuit thing, I think it may be because non-competes are illegal in California.

For the guy who said Qi Lu worked 15 hours ( I presume he means per-day )...How many days per week does Qi Lu work? I'm mainly curious as I'm a 7 days x 12-15 hours per day guy myself...perhaps too competitively so. :P

Thanks.
insider said:
i highly doubt what yahoo1 said. even if he did want yahoo and m$ to merge, he was planning on leaving yahoo long before m$ made its offer. its not the reason why he left.
Joe said:
No single person is going to turn a steaming pile of dogshit into gold. That's called 'alchemy' and it's fine for fairly tales but not for the real world.

Good luck though!
ab said:
No one questions Qi's chops as an engineer. He's crazy smart and he works his ass off.

If he were hired as CTO of MSFT Internet, then I'd rate it an A+ hire.

But... GM of a business is a different banana.

B/B- with strong upside.

Techie said:
I am really pleased that Ballmer didn't settle for a B list business head, after the business-oriented A listers opted out. It is much better to go with a real A list engineering guy and bet that he can backstop him with business support.

Steve, ya done good here!
Yahee said:
Sending this on my iPhone through Google news. Never heard of panama. Enough said.
Screwed at the Hoo said:
Hard to believe Yahoo had a goodbye party and gave out t-shirts when this traitor left to work for Death Star, Inc. Good luck. Go forth and betray us.
yhoo said:
Yes,Qi works 15+ hrs x 7 days a week. He also drives a Geo Prism.
Sean said:
I don't know the guy, but I'm glad SteveB picked a highly-respected tech guy. I prefer an engineer in charge, with business people to support him, than the other way around.

I do have a couple observations to make though that might be interesting to Microsoft watchers.

First, there are at least three large online groups that are not (at least according to this announcement), going to report to Qi Lu: Windows Live, Office Live and Ozzie's Live Mesh group.

Qi Lu is basically getting Search, MSN and the shared Advertising technology used by all of the online businesses.

Windows Live is paired with Windows, and reports to VP Steven Sinofsky. Office Live is (much more loosely) paired with Office and reports to Stephen Elop. Ray Ozzie's stuff is completely outside the core groups. Oh, and XBox Live and Zune Social are both part of their core groups and report to Robbie Bach.

Ideally, this should be fine -- Qi Lu's group contains the primary online services and should provide shared technology for the others. But it does mean that he does not have direct ownership of everything Microsoft does on the web, so there may still be things he cannot untangle.

The second observation is that with tihis announcement, Microsoft has quietly gone from having three large businesses each led by Presidents (with full P&L control, their own CFOs, etc) to four.

Up until the middle of this year, there were three groups: Entertainment and Devices, led by Robbie Bach (basically XBox, Zune, Windows Mobile, Embedded and Automotive); Business Division, led by Stephen Elop (basically Office, Exchange and enterprise communications); Platforms and Services Division, led by Kevin "KJ" Johnson (basically Windows and all of the online businesses listed above).

When KJ left for Juniper, they didn't replace him.

Instead, SteveB has now created a President for a new group that didn't exist before: Online Services. And that still leaves Windows, Windows Live, Windows Server and Developer tools without a parent group (these groups like the online groups, have reported directly to SteveB since KJ left.

The logical thing to do would be to pull these groups into a group with its own president(the "Platforms" group, for example). And there has certainly been no public announcement of a search for a leader for this group.

Pure guesswork here: it may be that the priority was to find an online services leader, so there was less noise about a "platforms" leader. But, it may also be that they have the right person in mind and are waiting for the right moment. Of the groups above, the only person with chops and near-universal respect to step up is current Windows and Windows Live SVP, Steven Sinofsky. If SteveB does intend to put Sinofsky in charge of all of these groups. I would expect them to let the organizations sit the way they are until Windows 7 is safely in the bag before changing anything.
jay said:
I worked at Yahoo on Panama. Qi is definitely a top-notch engineering manager. Pushed a major project through a messy org and delivered.

But keep in mind that he's 100% technical. Branding, politics, and profits aren't in his background. He can give MSFT some sorely needed product direction, but I think he'll struggle on the pure business side. He's just not a sales/marketing/strategy guy.

No matter how much they improve their search, if you don't have the traffic, you don't have the advertisers. So you don't get the yield. Qi already proved that once at YHOO.

Expect Ballmer to be back at the table with Yahoo soon. They can't succeed at search without that traffic. They'll shell out for it one way or another.
Jeff said:
Looking from inside, the view of many is, why do we care...
The guy is where the Yahoo advertising mess rests, first competitor to adsense bombed and never opened to public, no merging of display and text advertising happened even now. Neither did the burbank teams merge culturally, no innovations in display, incorrect expectations of Panama, never rose to the Google challenge, list goes on.

Yes, he is rumored to put lots of hours, but he was not a janitor being paid per hour.

Starting to drag MS down by being on their side is the best thing he will do in the last five years.

nyCat (URL) said:
This is guy seems to have what it takes to take M$ out of dump. But like gloomy New York weather can he deliver in this gloomy financial crisis?
Alex Schleber (URL) said:
Just read somewhere yesterday that MSFT's OS share has dropped below 90% for the first time since the mid 1990's. We'll see where it ends up by the end of 2009 in this environment: The recession-elastic demand is likely going more and more toward Apple, while a good portion of the recession/price-inelastic demand will either stay put with XP, or move to LINUX variants and OpenOffice, etc. (some of this driven by the producers of e.g. Netbooks).

What this means is that MSFT's cash cows are going to continue to erode, and some success (finally) with the Internet division is in order. Just scrapping it won't be an option in the long run in my opinion.

As Henry rightly points out, branding is likely the most important bit to fix, anything else will amount to just more uncoordinated flailing. Unfortunately it is highly unlikely that an engineer like Lu will have even the first clue about it...
agnostic98 said:
I think people place way too much weight on business background in the technology world. in the internet business, it is much more important to command the proper technology vision in a practical, sensible way. MSFT needs to shape up with its vision and brands online but I think once they actually want to do that the execution doesn't actually require that many clues.
NURREDIN (URL) said:
I am a customer of MSN, and I have to say it sucks. If I didn't get webtv(for my daughter) thrown in for free I would get rid of it. As usual anything that depends upon Explorer is gonna suck big time. It's always going down for no reason,and I find myself accessing my email thru Google Chrome. All I need to do is export my favorites to Chrome,and I won't need MSN at all. I thought there was something seriously wrong with my pc until I switched to Chrome and sometimes Safari. As soon as I switched my browser,my pc started running much faster. My next computer is going to be a Mac,even if it's the Mini. I'm sick of Explorer, sick of MSN,and sick of Windoze. I want Microsoft to remove Explorer from the OS but I don't believe they're gonna do it.Gates needs to come back and fix this mess.
techie said:
You can't blame the Panama/advertising mess on Qi. Qi was a search guy, and was later brought in extremely late into the game to save the mess Panama became. If it wasn't for him, Panama may have never launched.

Also for those stating that Qi lacks business background - what about Eric Schmidt? He was a total techie, spent a very limited (and rather unsuccessful tenure) at Novell as CEO before going to Google. Things turned out fine for him.

The irony of this all is that if MSFT eventually acquires YHOO, then all the incompetent execs there will end up reporting to Qi.
Ben Fremer (URL) said:
Wow ... 15 hours x 7 days per week. Holy cow...105 hours per week...that might be even more than Gates used to do.

Thanks. Lots of interesting comments in here. I love this blog. :)
Closet Engineer said:
Qi Lu is one of the most talented and dedicated guys I've ever gotten to know. He was hugely loyal to Yahoo and Jerry Yang, but was hugely betrayed when Yahoo decided to sign a search ad partnership with Google, a totally short term move that was against Yahoo's purported long term interest of sustaining a search ad marketplace.

Qi understood the business implications of the Google deal (great for Google; lousy for Yahoo), and became disillusioned with the judgment of Yahoo senior management.

MSFT is Qi's only and last chance at winning the war against Google, since Yahoo has effectively taken themselves out of the running. Beating Google is his life-long passion and mission. So of course the guy is going to take the job at MSFT, albeit the odds are not in his favor in overcoming Google.

Whoever says Qi does not have the business experience does not understand the man or the search business. Qi is super smart, has a great understanding of the economics of search and search advertising, has an incredible work ethic, and inspires other people with his passion for the business and leading by example. If those at MSFT Online division had any iota of vision and motivation, then they will rally around Qi Lu.

Also, Qi will be able to attract top talent to MSFT because he is such an inspiring leader. After all, it's a shame that Qi wasn't even on the radar screen of the Yahoo board in its search for a CEO. This tells you the difference between the Yahoo board and Ballmer, who, through the hiring of Qi Lu, is already demonstrating that he is a hell of a lot smarter than the Yahoo board.
fudaner said:
Having read so much about Qi Lu, I am excited as well.

I have been with microsoft for 8 years, the last couple of years with the adcenter group.

One big challenge Qi will face is how to fix the chaotic engineering practices in these live groups. >80% of the principals and GMs are BS people, not real engineers. They however got promoted on a yearly or 6 months basis, still.

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