Uribe-Cora Trade Not Happening

im just goign to reiterate how stupid of a trade this is for the red sox. what the hell are we going to do with juan uribe? we dont need 2 rally killers with him and varitek in the lineup

Bad trade for L.A. Is Cabrera an upgrade over Nomar at short? Not worth trading Lowe for that.

wow. If the White Sox also managed to get Derek Lowe than this would end up being lopsided for the Whitesox

How about the Dodgers making a move for Ramirez himself? Perhaps Lowe for Ramirez + Linebrink? Or perhaps Lowe + DeJesus for Cabrera + Thornton?

"Bad trade for L.A. Is Cabrera an upgrade over Nomar at short? Not worth trading Lowe for that."

Very few shortstops are an upgrade over a healthy Nomar. The problem is, who knows if he will be healthy the rest of the way?

"How about the Dodgers making a move for Ramirez himself? Perhaps Lowe for Ramirez + Linebrink? Or perhaps Lowe + DeJesus for Cabrera + Thornton?" ~AA

The Dodgers wouldn't be getting nearly enough back in those trades. Maybe the White Sox should throw in Danks and Bobby Jenks too to balance it out.

"The Dodgers wouldn't be getting nearly enough back in those trades. Maybe the White Sox should throw in Danks and Bobby Jenks too to balance it out."

Huh? While I would love to have Jenks or Danks pitching for the Dodgers, I think that would be too much for a Lowe based trade. I do think Lowe is worth more than OC, but not that much, which is why I though a solid bullpen arm to set up for Broxton would make sense. If the Dodgers could score Cabrera and Jenks for Lowe, that would be a coup.

"they have something in the works for a 2b that is better than alex cora."

You know, Cora isn't that bad. His OBP has always been healthy and his defense is strong.

"The Dodgers wouldn't be getting nearly enough back in those trades. Maybe the White Sox should throw in Danks and Bobby Jenks too to balance it out."

Huh? While I would love to have Jenks or Danks pitching for the Dodgers, I think that would be too much for a Lowe based trade. I do think Lowe is worth more than OC, but not that much, which is why I though a solid bullpen arm to set up for Broxton would make sense. If the Dodgers could score Cabrera and Jenks for Lowe, that would be a coup.

"they have something in the works for a 2b that is better than alex cora."

You know, Cora isn't that bad. His OBP has always been healthy and his defense is strong.

Posted by: AA | July 24, 2008 at 04:51 PM

I think he was being sarcastic.

I usually stop reading after "Ken Rosenthal says..."

Btw, Cabrera's OBP is a bit worse than Pierre's(!) and he makes just as many outs, and his OBP is a lot worse than Nomar's. Not saying Colletti might not be dumb enough to do it, but it sure would be dumb unless he came very cheaply...

"Btw, Cabrera's OBP is a bit worse than Pierre's(!) and he makes just as many outs, and his OBP is a lot worse than Nomar's."

Cabrera's drop in production this year can probably be attributed in part to his unhappiness at being traded, which came as a shock. Further, his defensive play, baseball intelligence and consistent health can't be ignored. I agree that a healthy Nomar is the ideal solution to a lot of the Dodgers' problems, but that is a huge if.

"I usually stop reading after "Ken Rosenthal says...""

Not a bad plan.

As much as would like to see Lowe for Cabrera I doubt it would happen. Though the Dodgers do have a surplus of starters, which Schmidt coming back and the youngsters pitching well. I would say Cabrera and a B prospect.

I wonder if the Oriols, White Sox and Dodgers would get together on a trade like this

Sox get- Brian Roberts, Derek Lowe
Dodgers get- Orlando Cabrera
Oriols get- Gavin Floyd

This would make the Sox a much better team in '08 and maybe in '09, too. Lowe is better than Floyd with more playoff experience. Roberts is better than Cabrera and fills the lead-off hole. The Oriols get a young, controlable starter for Roberts. Even Andy McFail would do that. The Dodgers can call up Kershaw, and get a huge upgrade at shortstop, especially defensivley. The Sox would also improve their '09 team with Roberts at 2B and they can call up Poreda to replace Floyd. I know it isn't likely to happen because it is a 3 team trade, but I wish it could.

AA and TNS you guys dont even know what your talking about, we aren't gonna give up our dirt cheap star Alexei Ramirez and Linebrink who we gave a good salary cap to for some, 35 year old HAS BEEN!

the sox aren't even gonna SPECULATE options with Ramirez for the fact being he's all ready panned out for his rookie year, .307 8 35 so far for a 170lb 2nd basemen, those are 2nd basemens numbers sometimes for the whole SEASON

maybe a little down on the rbi but pretty close

the only reasonable move would be like i dont know... Ramirez for a healthy Furcal, but no, if they trade away Ramirez it would suck, he's becoming a favorite in Chicago

this trade though, uribe-cora, is pretty miner, i wouldn't do it though

the difference being, uribe's 29 cora's 33

age, uribe would be better for the bench

"I wonder if the Oriols, White Sox and Dodgers would get together on a trade like this

Sox get- Brian Roberts, Derek Lowe
Dodgers get- Orlando Cabrera
Oriols get- Gavin Floyd"

thatd be crazy on part of the orioles and dodgers. they both give up a player and get back lesser value in return. Roberts is better than Cabrera and lowe is much better than floyd. Lowe is a veteran with experience int he post season floyd has had 2 ok season if you include this one so far.

"AA and TNS you guys dont even know what your talking about, we aren't gonna give up our dirt cheap star Alexei Ramirez and Linebrink who we gave a good salary cap to for some, 35 year old HAS BEEN!"

My comment was a sarcastic response to AA's stereotypical homer trade proposal. Your point was mine; that offer was illogical.

"I wonder if the Oriols, White Sox and Dodgers would get together on a trade like this

Sox get- Brian Roberts, Derek Lowe
Dodgers get- Orlando Cabrera
Oriols get- Gavin Floyd"

thatd be crazy on part of the orioles and dodgers. they both give up a player and get back lesser value in return. Roberts is better than Cabrera and lowe is much better than floyd. Lowe is a veteran with experience int he post season floyd has had 2 ok season if you include this one so far.

Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 24, 2008 at 07:43 PM

OC might have about the value Roberts does, and FLoyd is pitching MUCH better than Lowe.

hahaha i was gonna say

it's like saying i'll utrade Ryan Howard and Chase Utley for Angel Berroa

"OC might have about the value Roberts does"

You are kidding, right? I love OC, but Roberts beats him handily at the plate and is almost as good a defensive player.

Gavin Floyd is under team control for 5 years, and even if he is only a #3 during that period it is very valuable. I think the O's would definatley do that deal. For the Dodgers, I'd rather have Cabrera and Kershaw rather than Lowe and Garciaparra. Maybe if the Dodgers won't do the deal the Oriols could throw in a reliever like Chad Bradford. So the Dodgers would get Cabrera and Bradford for Lowe. They'd definatley do that. I think the O's would, too. They can spare Bradford and would do Roberts and Bradford for Floyd easily. Maybe the Sox would just throw one more mid-level prospect like Lance Broadway the O's way to seal the deal. So it would be

White Sox get: Derrek Lowe, Brian Roberts
Dodgers get: Orlando Cabrera, Chad Bradford
Oriols get: Gavin Floyd, Lance Broadway

No i do not understand this at all.

WHY in the world do you think the sox want to give up a starting pitcher who has better stats then lowe, and is under control for so long for so cheap. there is no reason to.

They want a starter with Contreres on the dl and questionable. they will not give up a starter for a starter with worse #s. thats stupid.

and i see them trying to trade OC if they cant resign him, and if they feel they can get something good for fields, thats ok. something that helps them win this year and the next few.

i an see mark, javy and either a healthy javy or danks as the 3 starters for the playoffs, so the floyd for lowe deal is pointless and stupid for a sox future.

If this is going to happen, the Orioles are not going to be getting any impact Major Leaguers in return. They may be able to get a bench guy, but thats about it. This is more likely of a scenario:

White Sox get: Lowe, Roberts, LaRoche
Dodgers get: Cabrera, decent (not top) prospect
Orioles get: Fields, Getz/Richar, pitching prospect

I think it would be likely that Clayton Richard would be dealt, probably to Baltimore. Though the numbers didn't show it, he pitched well in his MLB debut. However, the Sox already have two solid lefties in the rotation who won't be going anywhere for a while. So I believe his start was a showcase for a trade. Also, the Orioles get a close-to-ready 2B to replace Roberts either now or the near future. The White Sox getting LaRoche is what allows them to trade Fields, assuming Crede walks after this year. Any of the three teams could also get cash/PTBNL.

""I wonder if the Oriols, White Sox and Dodgers would get together on a trade like this

Sox get- Brian Roberts, Derek Lowe
Dodgers get- Orlando Cabrera
Oriols get- Gavin Floyd"

thatd be crazy on part of the orioles and dodgers. they both give up a player and get back lesser value in return. Roberts is better than Cabrera and lowe is much better than floyd. Lowe is a veteran with experience int he post season floyd has had 2 ok season if you include this one so far."

Am I missing something? "Lowe is much better than Floyd"? Huh?

Lowe is 35 years old, with a 4.00 ERA in the NL West. Floyd is 25, under team control for 5 years, with a 3.50 ERA in the AL Central. Edge? Floyd. 'Postseason experience' be damned.

I'm not a fan of the Dodgers or White Sox.

I'll never get why fans will value the 'veteran' with worse numbers, under contract at $10M+ over a cost-controlled young guy who puts up comparable stats. It makes no sense. If you could tell me my team could get Floyd or Lowe, it's a no-doubter in the favor of Floyd, IMO.

I think the Sox would be smart to sell high on Floyd right now, if the opportunity presents itself. Not straight up for Derek Lowe, but if he could net us Roberts and we make another deal for starter, then so be it.

I know he's young and cheap, but I think he's at his peak right now. He's still easily rattled, and not really a guy I trust down the stretch of a pennant race.

Thank God!

The "Village Idiot" Ned Colletti needs other GMs/Owners to step-in and prevent him from making idiotic trades.

A washed up Orlando Cabrera at $10 million with a career .320 OBP is certainly not what a putrid Dodgers offense needs.

If you want a below average MLB hitter who plays defense at SS, how about any of the four or five options in the organization.

It's interesting to note that Uribe has been playing a little bit of 3B for the ChiSox. Might Boston be looking for a utility with more experience across the diamond in the event they move Kevin Youkilis in the rumored deal for Mark Texeira. One of the impediments to that deal I had heard was the Red Sox missing Youkilis's ability to play good defense at 1B & 3B. Just a thought.

"Though the Dodgers do have a surplus of starters, which Schmidt coming back and the youngsters pitching well."

You really think Schmidt is coming back this year? That is an eternal optimist speaking, because he has already had his rehab clock stopped at least twice. Penny will be back before Schmidt, but the rotation is actually short now because of Park having to move to setting up Broxton.

"A washed up Orlando Cabrera at $10 million with a career .320 OBP is certainly not what a putrid Dodgers offense needs."

Funny, Cabrera didn't look so "washed up" last year.